36 - Your Obsession Will Save You.

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Your obsessions are not arbitrary. They're not an accident. You've been given things that only you can be interested in. Take them seriously — because only you can say what you can say in the unique way you say it  with your body, senses, artistic whimsy and play ❤️

In this episode, we explore why obsession isn't something to fear or suppress — it's a devotional energy and one of the most direct routes to creative fulfilment and self-actualisation.

We trace the arc from interest → passion → obsession, and why interest alone isn't enough: when life circumstances intensify, casual interest fades, but obsession endures. True obsession feels like "the hands of the universe knocking on every cell of your body" — it takes you beyond discipline into a place where rest, effort, and creativity all find their natural rhythm.

The episode also explores the premenstrual portal as a powerful window for creative discernment — a time of heightened clarity, uncompromising standards, and direct access to what's truly alive in your work. Rather than suppressing this energy, we're invited to lean into it.

Other themes explored:

• Why "playing it cool" is the death of creative work — and why emotional responsiveness is a feature, not a flaw
• The two options when you're stuck doing something you're not obsessed with: let it go with courage, or find a way to increase your obsession
• How to recognise your obsessions — the things you'd read about anywhere, just for pleasure, even if they're not fashionable or profitable
• Why unexpressed obsession can invert into depression
• The difference between fear-based perfectionism and the kind of 110% that comes from knowing you have more in you
• How your obsession is what people are actually connecting to when they're drawn to your work — not your credentials or how long you've been doing it
• Living from the inside out: when you lose your way, obsession is the thread that leads you back .

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

So, to be successful at anything, we need to be interested in it. But that interest needs to spill over into being obsessed. Now, what interest does is it kind of lifts us out. Interest and curiosity lift us out of our circumstances. But then when the circumstance when the energy of the circumstances rise, the interest and curiosity can can become lower. I watch this play out a lot in when things are sanguine and when opportunity is, you know, good and when the stress isn't particularly high in a certain area. Then our interest in something might, you know, oh, I'll pick up a book on a nice Sunday afternoon. You know, this is interest, this is kind of polite society interest. This is nice. This is, oh, when I'm on holiday, I might actually start reading about, you know, the history of alchemy or of Leonardo da Vinci or something, right, that I'm not normally interested in. But as soon as the life circumstances start to get hot and we're overwhelmed, we've got school runs to do, or we've got loads of things going on, that interest will die down because life circumstances are stronger. However, when we can find a way to turn interest into obsession, and I'm trying to think of a word that comes between interest and obsession, um, probably passion. You know, my passion. My passion is making bread. I'm obsessed, aren't I, with becoming a pastry chef. I think, I think I would really like to be a dessert chef in another world, um, inspired by by kind of botanicals and um fragrance-based things that you can eat, kind of suspending smells in cream would be really interesting to me. Last year, actually, my partner made a like wood smoke infused cream, and then he made ice cream with the cream.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

That's the kind of shit I'd like to do, okay?

SPEAKER_01 1:59

If I wasn't doing what I'm doing, I'd be like, oh yeah, imagine like Vetiva infused double cream, or oh, once at this psychedelic trance festival, I had this um, I had this jasmine brownie, and I've never had anything like it. And the woman who made it wouldn't give me or my me and my friend the recipe, and we were both just like blown away by this, by the subtlety of jasmine, but it still managed to come through, and it was like a flowerless chocolate-intense brownie. It was so good, and I still think about that. That's the kind of stuff I'd like to make. Anyway, I digress as the energy of passion often will help us to digress. But so it kind of goes interest, passion, obsession. Would you say? Would you agree with that? Interest, passion, passion, obsession. And what I have found very often is myself included, we can get stuck when the intensity of our interest and passion doesn't quite know how to reach that obsession level. What I see is that when things get really hard, we can get burnt out. And there's a time, there are times when we have to do things in life that we're not obsessed with, right? Absolutely, there are times. I mean, there are whole stretches of life where what's required of us are things that we're not obsessed with. And so we have two options, right? Sometimes we can't leave that obligation or that responsibility, like it could be a certain season of parenting we're finding really triggering. We're not bloody obsessed with it, we're not loving life with our five-year-old hitting us or having tantrums, but we have we're not gonna walk out, or it might be a business that you're just committed to and you're not gonna walk out. So the two ways that we can flip this is one, you've got the opportunity to let go of what you're not obsessed with, and we do have that in life, we really do. And part of being on a path of discernment and embodiment and truth and beauty is that we do have beauty, it requires sacrifice, truth requires sacrifice, and we do have to let things go, and that can take courage. It's actually easier sometimes just to be like a kind of um dipped in honey accumulating stuff wherever you go, and never actually have the wherewithal to say I don't choose this anymore. And sometimes that's actually putting up a boundary or actually leaving an organization or walking away from something, when it's actually easier to just stay and kind of be a peripheral fly flying around because you haven't had the courage often to have a hard conversation or something like that. I know about that for sure. I'm I'm either 100% or not involved, so I can't be a little bit involved, so I have to be very discerning. If I'm gonna get involved with something, I know I'm gonna be obsessed with it, so I have to, you can't be obsessed with everything, right? So you have to be discerning. So the two options are we can either be courageous enough to let go of something, to change, to leave, um, to decouple, to consciously disengage, whatever you want to say, or we have to find a way to increase our obsession because obsession is a devotional energy and it is talked about as if it's some kind of sin. And you know, or this person is obsessive, and obviously it's like the seven deadly sins. It's a word because it's so linked to passion, it's a word that we're taught to fear. I don't want to seem obsessive, I don't want to be obsessive, I don't want to come across as obsessive. I'm gonna play it cool, man. I'm gonna chill. But playing it cool and being cool is not gonna get you a happy life unless you're unless it's your nature and you are naturally a cool, spacious person. If you're suppressing aspects of yourself because you think that, you know, like in films like The Cool Girl, she's just like, yeah, whatever. You know, like things are just cool, man. Like, I'm not reactive, I'm just cool. Well, your art and your work need you to be reactive because part of what being reactive is, is it shows you where your emotional temperature is. If you're cool all the time, then you're cool when people are shit with you. You're cool with things that you don't want to do. What do you want to eat? I'm cool. Like, I'm so not that woman. I don't want to eat pizza. I don't want it. There's so many things that everyone's supposed to love, like Italian food, unless it's in Italy, I do love it. I don't love pasta and pizza. I'm not gonna be cool about that. I'd rather eat something that's gonna like set my taste buds on fire or a steak or whatever. But being cool very often is how we are palatable and we fit in. We don't want to rock the boat. Yeah, I'm cool, you know me, I'll just go along with anything, man. I'm cool. But if we take that approach into our work, our work is gonna die a very quick death because our work needs us to be hot-headed towards the things that are coming in hot and ready for us to respond to. So we need to be emotionally, we need to have a strong sense of responsiveness to what arouses us. So inspiration is very much like this. You know, why is it that say you're a painter, it's just such a beautiful metaphor because of the because of the visual of a blank canvas that we all experience in any piece of work, whether you're a writer, whether you work in a restaurant as a head chef, like the blank canvas is an aspect of life. The pregnant pause before form takes place is an aspect of life. All of these things are part of how things are. We can't pretend the blank canvas, confusion, ambiguity, slight fear, slight excitement. We can't pretend that's not there anymore that we can pretend that overwhelm of having too much on our plate is there. It all is part of it. And so you have a blank canvas and then you start to make some form in whatever your ritual way is. Maybe you sketch without thinking, maybe you do, you know, those practices of really just getting into quick work mode so you can just get through things and get into that direct experience neural network. Whatever that practice is, you start to make some form, you start to play, you start to make a tune, you start to make a melody, and then you start to feel like you keep trying and keep trying. And then after a certain amount of time, you create something that you're really like, fuck yeah, this, this, this is the one, this is the one. And you're like, this is the one. So with me, it might be a shape or something, and I would just have to scribble it on walls, on letters, whatever is near. If I'm in the car, I might have to like lean back and get a piece of scrap paper or something from my son's sketchbook. I just have to get it down, like I just have to have it there. And it doesn't matter if nothing happens with it for a few days. I just have to kind of yes, the thing that's the most hot, yes, yes, what's the most alive? What shape, what form, what image, what what concept, what words if you're a poet, what is the most shimmering to you? Because some things are gonna feel a bit flat and a bit dead, you know, like a sandwich that's like been in a fridge for four days. Like, yeah, I mean it's food, it's got calories in it, it's got protein in it, it's a bit fucking flat. You know, it's flaccid, and we don't want flaccid ideas, we want like vital, strong, throbbing ideas. Sexual, sexual innuendo. I'm actually so pre-menstrual, but all of this energy builds up in me when I'm pre-menstrual and I feel like I can really deliver what I'm trying to say, which is also why when we're pre-menstrual, we get so like and so many women suppress that. And I would like to invite you to really lean into the clarity, potency, and vibrational truth of a pre-menstrual woman. Just try not to be unkind to people, try not to like put it on people, but allow the directness of your energy to really embody what it is that you want to say and allow yourself to bring that energy into your work. Yeah, you might feel touchy, you might feel sensitive, you might not want to be around people, but you've got access to this amazing portal. One of the things that the disembodiment of women and the patriarchy and all of these narratives that keep us really separate from our power, one of them that I see that is still so strong is women disowning their pre-menstrual intelligence. And what that looks like is you know, obviously, men sometimes will say, Oh, time of the month, and that bullshit. If you live with someone who speaks like that, like call them up on it. I I cannot imagine being around a man who was so disrespectful to a very natural part of women's life. And it's how you got here, dude, because woman has a period. So can we just remember that? But that the the portal of the pre-menstrual time, and it might be a week for you, it might be a few days. For me, it's more, it's like three days of really intense knowing exactly what I need, knowing exactly what I want to eat, feeling incredibly tired, incredibly focused, incredibly direct, unable to tolerate boring shit, unable to tolerate things I don't want to do. I can't be persuaded to do anything I don't want to do. And that is the most incredible time to be with your work because you won't create something just because you'll have such a good bullshit filter, and that bullshit filter is worth its weight in gold. And you'll also be able to more accurately perceive the somatics of really, really, really what's lighting you up in your work, which is obsession. And that obsessive energy, if you can create things in that pre-menstrual portal that really feel good, and this might be sketching an idea that's going to take weeks to actualize. This might be feeling really unhinged, so you finally have the confidence to say, Yeah, I do really want to do this, that, or the other. When normally you're kind of holding yourself in with practicalities and you know what's what's the cheapest thing to create, or what's the lowest budget thing that I could offer, or whatever it is. Whereas this portal can really put us in touch with like no fucking way. Majesty is the only thing that's gonna like, you know, that or nothing, that or fuck off. That or I'm not sitting down, and so you're inviting in only things that meet you in that vibrancy of your truth of perception. This takes practice though, because I I notice so many women in this pre-menstrual portal override their own boundaries and are around other people. And sure, if you've got family and you've got life, you you don't just go and want to be by yourself for a few days, but have the courage and the confidence to carve out time or say no, thank you to social engagements where you're just gonna be for me. The worst is standing around chit-chatting. Like, I just oh god, it's so hard. I don't know what's happening. Conversation is kind of tepid, um, no one's really saying anything very intense, and it's sweet, like it's nice. I can deal with that at other times, but when I'm premenstrual, I need truth or silence. Like, give me the truth, or or please be quiet. Um, and truth isn't gossip. I don't want gossip, I want the truth of your heart, or I want something very interesting, or I want some amazing, I want to hear about the courage of human beings, I want to hear about a scientific discovery that's happening that like 19-year-old has been sleeping on a boat with no money for 10 years to make this happen. And I want to hear about things like this. I don't want to psychoanalyse people I vaguely know. No, I cannot do that. So, in that portal, if for me, if I'm around some of those things I've just mentioned, I will find myself really being depleted, and then I'll be like, I don't know what I want to do in my work, I feel really uninspired. But it's not the work that I'm in that's uninspiring, it's because I haven't allowed myself the intelligence of being in that potent portal of the pre-menstrual energy, which really is where only things that are true can be perceived and come through. So, yeah, I invite you to see your work in that way. And then in terms of the obsession, I feel like if I what I start to create in the pre-menstrual and the bleed bit, what I start to create starts to develop wings and carries me through the the lovely post-bleed and ovulation time where I'm a bit less discriminating, although obviously in ovulation you are essentially discriminating as to what you let in, but it can also be a time of such beauty and connection that lots of things feel beautiful and connected, but it really is our obsession that is going to allow things to be felt by other people, and this is why when you are, I recently bought this online course that was not very much at all, under $50 from this amazing woman who's American, who lives in the south of France, who does incense-making courses, and her obsession with grinding up natural herbs that she finds in her garden and mixing them with things like honey and milk and um various different liquids, yogurt, I think she mixed, like wet plums. I was just completely transfixed because of the magnetism of her obsession. I bought some incense from her online shop and I signed up to one of her courses because I mean incense making is something I'm interested in anyway, but it it the reason I bought it from her was because of her obsession. Not because she's perfect, not because she has been doing it for longer than anyone else, not because there are no other incense makers around teaching that, but because of her obsession. And I trust obsession very much in people. I don't trust temporary obsession, I trust obsession protracted over time, embodied in a human being. And those are the people I want to be my teachers in different things. Obviously, it could be jujitsu. I'm not gonna go to a coach who's not obsessed with the with the with the form. I'm not. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna learn from you. I want to learn from you if you're obsessed with what you're doing. And I think this is such a misunderstood, um misunderstood kind of thing. Like you have to be so passionate because it's gonna be hard along the way. You're gonna, you're gonna get quote unquote writer's block, you're gonna get quote unquote hard times in business if you're doing it for business. But if you're obsessed with something, how I experience obsession, right, is like the hands of the fucking universe are knocking on every cell of my body, and it would hurt me not to listen to what's coming in, it would hurt me not to find out more about that thing, it would hurt me not to talk about that thing. And if you can listen and you can let yourself be be kind of pride open to that thing that is naturally wanting to move through your heart, and how you know what that thing is is what do you take seriously? What are the things that don't you haven't learned at school that aren't necessarily in fashion to know about? What are the what is the thing you would read about no matter where you are just for pleasure? So this isn't necessarily like an optimization strategy, but what are you really interested in mollusks? Are you really interested in like asexual pollination of mollusks? No, they're not, they don't pollinate, but do you know what I mean? Like, are you interested in trees and the and the and the migration of trees to do with human beings and how like what are you interested in? Trust that, take it seriously. No interest is frivolous, no interest is frivolous. I see so many people, and I speak to so many people, vulnerably sharing with me that they really struggle with living from the outside in and they want to live from the inside out. And I understand there's every good reason under the sun why this is our culture, the objectification of women. We are taught to survey our body from the outside from such a young age. Boys do that too, by the way. Boys look at their shadow in the sun, um, boys look at their silhouette, boys look at the shape of their bodies, absolutely. I mean, the the sense of being on show maybe is a very natural um, a natural human phenomenon, but it's the objectification over internalization that's the problem. It's like that we're only in the objectification rather than yes, we can appreciate and acknowledge how people are in their form, but also we have to have space for the vastness of the inner world, and we have an asymmetry in modernity. Sometimes, and I have to say, I've clicked on these things before out of curiosity, and I'm really trying to reset my algorithm, but I am shown because of my age, I guess, I'm shown so many like profiles of female influencers who are attractive but have no, like they're airheads, and I don't say that in a judgmental way, they're probably not airheads, actually. That was unkind of me to say. But people are growing Instagram followers without having a point of view other than how they look, and you're not gonna look like that forever. So those interests that are in your heart, and the fact that you're, you know, a skateboarder, but you actually ended up being a model because you're so beautiful. What about all the stuff that you're interested in? Like, I just see so many women are funneled into modelling, which is great, like you can make amazing money in modelling, and that's so wonderful to empower yourself in that way. But I bet so many of those women have got amazing interests that weren't gonna make the money straight away, you know, whereas modelling was and the world could see their looks, but but other things weren't, and I sometimes think like, wow, it like when you're attractive, it's it's kind of it can be justified to not have anything to say, and and no one's not got anything to say, everyone has something to say, but we have grown in a culture where if somebody is attractive, it's considered that they shouldn't have to have anything to say, but that is robbing them of their experience of this life. And the thing is, is that when you're obsessed with what you're doing, and that energy of obsession means that you fundamentally challenge the idea of what a female should be, passive, agreeable, all of these things like fits in with expectations, doesn't say too much but says enough, isn't quiet but isn't loud, isn't fat, but isn't thin. Like, oh my god. Obsession is like a rocket ship, it's like a super highway to self-actualization. So few people take it seriously, and I think that not taking obsession seriously is uh is one of the ways that uh depression happens. I believe that energy that can't be expressed will invert and it will pull us down. And it's not that depression isn't a part, you know. I've talked, I talked in the last episode about depression. Depression is something that we can use as a way to understand ourselves deeper, but chronically suffering from depression, because an acute episode of something can be a life-changing experience, you know, acute anxiety, acute panic attacks, all of these things can actually be like the most transformative. Having a breakdown can totally change our life when we break through, but chronic things show us that we are not expressing aspects of who we are and who we've come to be. And when people don't express their interest because they don't want to be seen as unhinged, they don't want to make a mistake. Obsession is such a strong energy, you can't control how you come across. You, when you're dancing, you know, when you're like so in that dance, you cannot think how you look. You cannot try to be pretty. When you're really in something from the inside out, and you are following that nudge, you are following that you are in relationship with the divine. Obsession is how we access divinity because you wake up and you have to scratch that itch. Like the devotion, it's like having a drug addiction or something. Like you know, that phrase that drug, if you approached your art in the way that an addict approaches their habit, you know, you'd never struggle again, kind of thing. You have to have, it's not, it's beyond discipline. That's the thing. Obsession takes us beyond discipline. And when the natural cycles of our energy need to rest, we rest. Because we're not resting because we don't know what else to do. We're resting because we've just been working so hard on our art form. We've just been working so hard to perfect a certain thing. And when I say perfect, it's not perfect out of fear of getting it wrong. It's perfection because we know we've got more in us. And these are such different things. Perfectionism for the sake of not wanting to leave something unfinished, or not wanting to be seen as messy, or wanting to look like we've got it all together, or wanting the perfect website, all of that kind of stuff. That's so different to the energy of like I've made a ring recently in wax and I've done the same ring three times, and each one looks almost indistinguishable. You would hold them next to each other and you'd say it's the same thing. Why have you done it again? You're just procrastinating. No, because I look at it and I know I've got more in me. I know I haven't given 110%, and I cannot let myself not give 110% to certain things. I do not give 110% to the washing up. I do not give 110% to, I'm just trying to think of things that I'm like to keeping my garden perfectly manicured. I do not give 110% to so many things, but the things I'm obsessed with, I can't not give 110% to. I didn't give 110% to my email layout. I didn't give a hundred, you know, like there are things that I think need to be done well, but we don't need to go and really, really dive. But in your life, what are the things you're not willing to compromise on? And the things you know you have to be brutally honest about when you've fallen short. And those things be a hard taskmaster, taskmaster for yourself on those things. Most of the other shit, let yourself off the hook, baby. Let yourself off that hook. Let that room be messy. Let your kids, you know, have ice cream on their mouth and not like let so many things be good enough. But some things in your life you have to give 110% to, and you are the one in charge of not letting that work be delivered or not signing the thing or not not releasing it until you know you've given it your all. If you have given something your all, then that is a success. It is not, we have to detangle and de disentangle our identity with the result and the acclaim and the response from people because when we have given something our all, we have already made a success. You know that feeling when you really know you've gone above and beyond to do a piece of creative work. And there are hours that people will never see that you've put in accidents happened, things happened behind the scenes that people don't know about, and you had to put that work in to bring things back. That's what I'm talking about. That can only happen with obsession because if you're doing that in something you're not obsessed with, you're gonna absolutely burn to a crisp. They call it burn out because burn out, the energy, the fire, takes all the juice. So you burn to a crisp. And we need juice for creativity, we need vitality, and juice and wetness and aliveness and fertility and all of these things are about being resourced from a place of fecundity and fertility, not in terms of children, but in terms of creative fertility. How do ideas land in you? How do they grow in you? Can you incubate ideas? Can they grow to full term in you? And what we nurture our ideas with is obsession. So I see so many people and they're trying to find their thing, and they're asking the wrong questions. Like, don't worry about finding I've never worried about finding my thing. I was just always obsessed with things. And I always took my obsession seriously. I actually believe that everyone's got things they're obsessed with. I think that you don't need to be an obsessive seeming person. You can have some small corner of your life, you don't need to change your life, you don't need to pack in the day job, you don't need to have an alternative career. You just need to let yourself really take seriously what moves you. There is a reason. I've got, I know somebody who loves cooking, is an amazing cook. She can hear about food, she can find out about new ingredients forever. She is endlessly inspired by ingredients, food, different countries, different traditions, different ways of preparing things. She reads a recipe book like a book. She could go into a shop or a library and read recipe books as if they're novels. And I always say to her, food, because people eat every day, you think that you haven't got a gift because you're interested in food. Imagine if some of the most like gifted and famous chefs from around the world thought that. They were like, oh, it's only food. It's only food, I'm not going to take it seriously. You have to take seriously what you're interested in and let that seriousness be alchemized through the container of your presence into something that is a treasure, a deep, enduring treasure. Because trying to play it cool and trying to be chill, I I know women like this, they're just they're so lids are so on them that they just can never really be that excited. Like I never really see them lose control and be that excited. It's like what moves you? Like, I love hearing what people are really interested in. I don't care if I'm not interested in it. If you're interested in it, I'm interested in it. And I love that for us. I love that our obsession is the vital spark that connects us. You know, when someone's face is lighting up about something, like I just love that so much. I remember hearing from this criminal, well, he was a forensic psychologist on a podcast, and he was just talking about like the artistry of the crime scene and how it's like this non-verbal puzzle that works through different timelines. And I was just on the edge of my seat. I thought it was the most poetic thing I'd ever heard. I was like, can I learn more about forensic psychology? Can you teach me more about forensic psychology? And this is why to teach anything we need to be obsessed. And this is why the teachers who were obsessed when you were at school or you were learning something are the ones that ignited something in you, and that's why you still love that subject. That's why you still love that thing. Okay, sorry, I got interrupted there by the door, and I can't remember the exact moment I left it off. But I'm gonna leave this with saying that the energy your obsession takes is not gonna look the same as mine or someone else's, or when you think of obsessed, you might think of someone who's just like, this is what I'm doing, and it's very outward and very yang. Obsession can be quiet, it can be focused, it can be deep, it can be solid. Obsession can be shadowy, it doesn't need to be in full daylight Leo energy. Obsession can simply be the enduring presence of attention to a thing over a lifetime that weathers um winds of psychic change and winds of mental health change. So obsession is really about our ability to stay connected to that thing that is in our heart that we care about, that we've been given as a gift from this life, to stay connected to it amidst changing circumstances, which include how we feel, our levels of motivation, our bank balance, the situation in our lives. And it's not that it's a daily continuous output, like there are seasons in our life of grief and loss and depression and sadness and moving around. And sometimes things are just so fucking great that there's not much time to do anything other than do this, like, we're moving home and we're redecorating. And that is so exciting, and you don't get to do any work and you don't, and it's not very deep and philosophical, and for weeks it might just be like, oh my god, this is so fun, just doing mundane, worldly, exciting things. But when we zoom out, you know, someone who meets you when you're 40 and they knew when knew you when you were 20. This happens to me sometimes if I hear from people from someone I went to school with or something, and they're like, Oh yeah, like you you were always talking about these things, you know, you've always been like that. So the thing I'm ending up doing doesn't really matter, but the the who you are that shines through your offering or that shines through your work, that thing will have always been there. You won't suddenly wake up at 50 and sort of say, I'm gonna do this, and everyone's gonna be like, Whoa, we didn't know you had that in you. It's more just that you've decided you're gonna center what was always on the periphery. But what's at our center, you know, you could be, I always say this to my friend who you could be a yoga teacher, but the people who come into your world are there for your energy. They're not there actually for the yoga, they're not like, oh, well, it's really important that it's this style of yoga. They're there for your energy. And if you were a CrossFit teacher, or you know, if you were different things and they found you and they connected to your energy, they'd follow you into your practice. So we connect to the individuals, we connect to the people. Like there are thousands of people you can get an astrology reading or a tarot reading from, but who you choose is distinct. You feel a connection with the reader. It's not like, oh, Google it, you know, what's happening with the astrologer. You feel connected to the expression of the person in that world. If you see a therapist, it's not arbitrary the therapist you feel. You have to like them, you have to feel a sense of mirroring with them, you have to feel a sense of kinship with them. It's not arbitrary, and your gifts aren't arbitrary. And the people who are attracted to work with you or to enjoy what you create, whether it's monetized or not, are doing so because they feel the bravery of what you have inside of you being expressed, and that's what they're connecting to. It's not that they're like, oh well, I can get that elsewhere. I'm gonna I'm gonna have a reading, I can either pay this person or this person, who's the cheapest. It's actually not like that. It's about energy. So have the courage to allow your inside energy, your the energy of your inner world to be shared on the outside, and then you'll truly feel like you live from the inside out. And when you feel lost or you can't remember your way, to reconnect to that, you you reconnect to your inside energy, you reconnect to that spark, the thing that makes you feel happy and alive and inspired. And when you start to objectify yourself, you reconnect to that magic inside of you, and therefore you've always got something inside of you that you can connect to. Because you're not waiting on circumstance to feel inspired, and it waxes and it wanes, but that obsession, that thing that you've been given is not arbitrary, it's not an accident. You've been given things that only you can be interested in, so take them seriously. Take them seriously because they are serious, and only you can say what you can say. So, obsession is your superpower. Find out how to embody it in a way that's natural to you and let me know how you get on. I'll see you next time.